Raid Healing Suggestions

[Ariesse]

I'd like to see the following three features for raid healing:

1) indications of players being out of range, like dimming their health bar
2) ability to monitor the entire raid - raid frames
3) indication of when my enchanter's banner runs out - this could be a separate buff icon that goes away when the banner goes away or something like that

[Syrenaria]

If you saw my reply as a general guideline to how to do raids/heal. It really was not. I gave out solutions or suggestions in solving some of your problems. And made an overall post on how to make your raiding experiences much more enjoyable and organized so there won't be any needless wipes or deaths and some mana saving suggestions as well.

[FeralGirl]

I'd like to see the following three features for raid healing:

1) indications of players being out of range, like dimming their health bar
2) ability to monitor the entire raid - raid frames
3) indication of when my enchanter's banner runs out - this could be a separate buff icon that goes away when the banner goes away or something like that

Those are very good suggestions! I second it! ...not that my seconding it matters hehe :p

[Ariesse]

Those are very good suggestions! I second it! ...not that my seconding it matters hehe :p

Of course it matters! You're FeralGirl!

[Ariesse]

If you saw my reply as a general guideline to how to do raids/heal. It really was not. I gave out solutions or suggestions in solving some of your problems. And made an overall post on how to make your raiding experiences much more enjoyable and organized so there won't be any needless wipes or deaths and some mana saving suggestions as well.

As I said in the other post: I apologized for not being more clear. I've also edited my original post. I don't know what else you want. I still want indicators for out of range and buff duration. And, I want a raid frame. I want those specific features, not advice for living without them.

[Syrenaria]

If China had those problem, I'm sure they would have fixed it and brought it over to USA as well. The things you wrote down can be done without any solutions at all. It just requires more time and patience. That's what being in a raid means. It will take up a lot of your time but it will also make you find your own solutions around certain problems, at least until the devs actually do something about it.

I've done raids in World of Warcraft that had similar problems as well. Heck, I even managed for quite some time without add-ons and still was able to perfectly heal, tank and lead raids through multiple instances. They may have indicators that tell you who is out of range, but there were bosses that required certain strategies and even knowing who's out of range and who's not sometimes did not help at all. Thus, we came up with a solution for the dpsers so the healers will know what is going on.

As for the raid frame, that is really not needed at all. How large is the raid group? How many healers do you have? Is the raid consisting of too many dpsers and too few healers? In general, if the raid is setup correctly, you have no need for an entire frame to show everyone within the raid.

I gave you advice to solve the problems you mentioned. But it seems you do not want them at all. What it looks like is you want the game to be as easy as facerolling the keyboard and you get a win. Instead of aiming for organization, strategy, and challenges.

[Ariesse]

Syrenaria -

I know how to just deal with it. I did deal with it, which is why I came up with these suggestions. And, despite your implication that I just want it to be a "faceroll," I don't. I think it would be more fun to have more information and more control as a healer. And, my suggestions are based on my own experience raid healing both in other games and in this game.

I want an entire raid frame in case a fellow healer goes down, in case they're out of mana, in case I can in-combat rez a tank in another group. There are tons of reasons that raid frames, debuff indicators, and range indicators are useful. Oh sure, you could suck up the losses until it eventually cascades to your group and results in a wipe, but I like more options. I like a little flexibility while raiding.

You don't know me, you don't know my background, and you obviously don't know my motivations. You don't think what I've suggested is necessary and you don't want them in the game. Fine. But, I don't think this is about my suggestions. I think this is about a beef you have with me and about you being right.

[Syrenaria]

Well, your "I want those specific features, not advice for living without them." says quite a lot of how you want games to be. I gave you what you needed to do a successful and a rather easy raiding experience, but you chose not to accept them.
I'm just going to end it here as there is nothing more to say.

[FeralGirl]

Wow Syrenaria, calm down.

This is a Suggestion forum, you make it sound like a crime to make any suggestions. Sure there are work arounds for many things, but let people make suggestions for things they'd like to see. Why is that such a problem?

The Devs can either throw it in the trash or incorporate it. :)

[jasconine]

I think we should roll with what we have, it has worked for me fine. I use my eyes to look at party members HP and they can always use the old "HELP! My *** is nearly dead..." line if they really need a pick-me-up.

I do agree that all the pretty debuff/buff/timers/frames MIGHT make things slightly easier, but if you come to rely on those things then it is just a quick-n-easy tappity-tap you want. You can get the control you WANT by controlling your environment (party, strategy, mobs, tactics, in-game knowledge, external communication via vent/etc.)

Yes, indicators can make life easy but we don't NEED them, we just WANT them to make it easier (honestly, it is really easy already.) We have everything we need to be successful, we just need to organise a little and communicate what we want... good old fashioned DIY.

So, from both points-of-view we can come out with positives. Yes it would be helpful to have pretty icons next to pretty faces and yes we can organise ourselves better to make the best use of what we have.

- jasconine, healer to the stars

[Ariesse]

This looks like Syrenaria signed up for a new account to continue trolling my suggestion thread. If not for the join date, I'd have to believe that, because it just can't be possible that there's so many people that don't understand the word "suggestion."

Yes, you can live without anything suggested. If you try hard enough and get really, really organized, you could probably play the Chinese version. You could play without healers and buy a bunch of pots from the token shop.

What is wrong with you people? It's a simple suggestion to make healing more FUN. Stop making it sound like it's just about making it EASY.

You haven't given any reason these suggestions aren't good, besides "not needed," which is "not the point" of a suggestion. Unless they are bad, or they hurt the game, or they making healing more difficult, or less fun, then you really don't have anything to offer to the discussion.

[AnAdolt]

I'm lazy so the first time I saw the other thread in the DE forum, I read through the first few posts and didn't bother finishing. But I've read through that thread and this one as well.

As for the suggestions, I'd have to agree with others that things are fine the way they are. Particularly, I think a raid frame is unnecessary. Sure, modern warfare may have better sophisticated equipment to help monitor situations but I like old fashioned organization and communication through squads and filtering up. For the banners, I thought I'd mention, since it wasn't brought up yet; each banner is identified as to whom the caster is, if you're worried, mouse-over the different banners and check. You should have an idea of where you casted your banner though and realize when it's up or destroyed.

[hypnocat]

As I said in the other post: I apologized for not being more clear. I've also edited my original post. I don't know what else you want. I still want indicators for out of range and buff duration. And, I want a raid frame. I want those specific features, not advice for living without them.

Those things are pretty damn standard for raiding, and quality of life for a healer is something you want - you know, so you have healers - i second these wishes :)

(especially considering i cant see mobs on raids so i may as well heal!)

[AnAdolt]

This looks like Syrenaria signed up for a new account to continue trolling my suggestion thread. If not for the join date, I'd have to believe that, because it just can't be possible that there's so many people that don't understand the word "suggestion."

Yes, you can live without anything suggested. If you try hard enough and get really, really organized, you could probably play the Chinese version. You could play without healers and buy a bunch of pots from the token shop.

What is wrong with you people? It's a simple suggestion to make healing more FUN. Stop making it sound like it's just about making it EASY.

You haven't given any reason these suggestions aren't good, besides "not needed," which is "not the point" of a suggestion. Unless they are bad, or they hurt the game, or they making healing more difficult, or less fun, then you really don't have anything to offer to the discussion.

I don't understand the continuing insistence on debating. It's clear enough that we'll only agree to disagree. So once we've expressed our opinions, if we're firm on not changing it, then let's just leave it at that.

To different people, fun is not defined as easy, fun is defined as being challenging and difficult enough. Easy is boring if it's too easy. All in all, different people are different. Therefore, they have different tastes.

You've reverted and now saying "You haven't given any reason these suggestions aren't good". Well I've read what DarkTaco and Syrenaria has mentioned in the other thread. They've directed address two of the suggestions you've made in this one. I've also mentioned that you can check the banners and see which one is yours.

I see no merit in continuing conversation in this thread and like Syrenaria has done, this too will be my last post in it.

[Ariesse]

I'll refer you to hypnocat's post: http://us.changyou.com/forum/showthread.php?p=38442#post38442 :)

I'd also like to point out, that even if my suggestions existed in the game, there's no reason that any other player would have to utilize them. You could continue to organize raids and heal in the exact same way you seem to prefer.

[jasconine]

This looks like Syrenaria signed up for a new account to continue trolling my suggestion thread. If not for the join date, I'd have to believe that, because it just can't be possible that there's so many people that don't understand the word "suggestion."

Yes, you can live without anything suggested. If you try hard enough and get really, really organized, you could probably play the Chinese version. You could play without healers and buy a bunch of pots from the token shop.

What is wrong with you people? It's a simple suggestion to make healing more FUN. Stop making it sound like it's just about making it EASY.

You haven't given any reason these suggestions aren't good, besides "not needed," which is "not the point" of a suggestion. Unless they are bad, or they hurt the game, or they making healing more difficult, or less fun, then you really don't have anything to offer to the discussion.

Um... I am not trolling, I am stating my opinion in a manner that addresses your concerns. You want to make things easier for yourself, I don't mind things being easy and even agree with what you have said - that's not trolling.

As AnAdolt points out, different people can just have different opinions and maybe never the twain shall meet. AnAdolt also points out that some people think that organisation and communication to overcome a challenge is what some people (myself included) call fun - tough and pushing the limits of current knowledge and personal skill.

So I will state it all again in plain english... YES, it would be useful to have pretty indicators relating to bufs/de-buffs and other stats which would make your life easier as a healer. YES, some people will find that fun.

If things are left as they are currently, then maybe, just MAYBE you can try to use some of the suggestions that have been offered to address some of the issues that you raised. If you don't even try them and dismiss them out of hand, then the issue might be with your own "I WANT THIS!" Yes, that is a troll! I WANT TO BAKE MY CAKE AND EAT IT TOO!

This is a suggestion forum and you have been offered suggestions to address your suggestions which in turn will generate more suggestions to suggest that each and every suggestion can be addressed in a suggestive manner.

Riddle me that!

- jasconine, Riddler to the Purple Gourd

[Ariesse]

The byline of this section says "Got a Suggestion? Let the Zentia Team know here!" This suggestion forum is for game suggestions, not for suggesting how a player should play. You can agree and disagree with the desirability of a suggested game function without writing discertations on "how to play."

And, you can express your opinions without dinegrating the person making the suggestion. Go back and read how often it was implied that I'm being spoiled, I just want it easy, I don't understand raiding, or that I'm just being stubborn and won't listen to all the great advice being offered. Does that have anything at all to do with what anyone thinks about the actual suggestions? No. It has everything to do with me, the poster.

And, now I'm being educated on the social concept of people disagreeing. Don't you think that maybe that's just a tad condescending?

The single point of disagreement out of all of it was: "I like things the way they are, because it's more challenging and therefore more fun for me." That could have been said in one sentence, without all the other "learn to play" bluster. But, it wasn't.

I'm sorry if you felt attacked by my response. I admit I was being defensive and I didn't mean to specifically attack you or your thread. But, I shouldn't have had to defend myself against implications that I'm lazy, childish, and stubborn for the sake of making a simple suggestion.

Also, to clarify, Syrenaria had followed me over from another thread where I had already explained that I wasn't looking for advice on playing. I was actually looking for UI settings or something like that. That's why I called it trolling.

[jasconine]

I think everyone is reading too much into all of this. If all you wanted was to know if there are UI settings to make buff/de-buff indicators appear, then NO there are not.

Suggestion: Hello mighty devs, can we please get some buff/de-buff indicators and a visual non-intrusive timer for flags and other temporary effects which would aid healers primarily, but all buff/de-buff classes by giving them more information about when the duration of skills are close to or have already run out. Also, can you please implement some range or distance gauge or indicator to show which party/raid members are within range (given that the range of spells differs) when casting heals/buffs/de-buffs/DOTs. We love all you devs and request more cute bunnies too, the bouncey ones with white fluffy tails will be appreciated!

There we go! I have made an attempt to sum up all the trolls and billy goats into 1 brief paragraph, but as you can see, there are a lot of issues (for developers) to try and take into account with the parts of the suggestion. Countdown indicators might be a little easier, but the screen could easily get cluttered if you have 5-6 buffs and a few more de-buffs active at any one time. Range finding would be very difficult with the differing ranges on skills. If you add DOTs to the mix, then life and screen real estate becomes precious commodity.

- jasconine, bunny farmer

[DarkTaco]

Countdown indicators might be a little easier, but the screen could easily get cluttered if you have 5-6 buffs and a few more de-buffs active at any one time.

5-6 isn't that bad and wouldn't be if they decreased the size of the icons to accommodate the more buffs/debuff indicators. I know Flyff has a max buff amount of 14 and it doesn't clutter the screen. But, it would be up to the Devs to do that to resolve that issue, though I wouldn't imagine it would be an issue.

[Katealyst]

I like suggestions! I actually think being able to see your entire raid would be a good thing. I have played a healer in most mmo's and they generally allow you to watch everyone in the raids health. Necessary? Maybe not, but it is a great suggestion.

[hypnocat]

I'll refer you to hypnocat's post: http://us.changyou.com/forum/showthread.php?p=38442#post38442 :)

I'd also like to point out, that even if my suggestions existed in the game, there's no reason that any other player would have to utilize them. You could continue to organize raids and heal in the exact same way you seem to prefer.

*bows* youre quite welcome madam/sir :)

[DarkTaco]

I actually think being able to see your entire raid would be a good thing.

Yup, so use healers know what idiots to yell at, right? :D