Attribute Points

[FeralGirl]

Where are you putting your attribute points? I've been putting mine in Phys for increase in defense, but I don't feel very tanky yet. :(

This character is lvl 26, with defense of 247, hp is 1170. I figured at this level I should be able to handle MC, but I think I use too many pots for being a tank.

[Taekon]

I put all of my attribute points (4 OTZ) in Stamina. I'm still unsure if a tank needs HP more or DEF more ):

[FeralGirl]

Yeah, I think a tank needs both. We'll need to stay alive if the boss does huge damage, so we'll definately need HP. But high def should help with that also.

[AnAdolt]

Contrary to the tool-tip description of Physique, you don't get any HP with more points into Physique. Unless it meant HP gains that you get whenever you level up? Anyways, Physique gives you Defense and Vigor but attacks can be magic damage based so you need to have good ME, as well, to be an efficient tank.

I don't play my Vajra Guardian anymore but if you want to be a tank, you probably want to put all your points into Stamina.

[Lurid]

Personally I put all my points into Physique and focus my pet on Phyique/defense(archetype hermit crab +10 defense +1% threat). You get tons of stamina from Gear and naturally through leveling. But that aside the main way to reduce damage you take is by outleveling them. Also, HP is nice, but if you're healer can't keep up with the damage you take what's the point? You could say You can pop potions but during a boss it'll just be interrupted during it's charge. Reduced damage would be better imo. And if you try to defend against special attacks(stuns/fears/etc) your vigor drops like crazy. I'll be perfectly honest though, defense seems to count for little. I wish it were more effective. Then again most of my gear is level 20-30. Instances seem to drop little to no warrior gear.

[ameridat]

Also having issues getting a Vajra Guardian to feel "tanky". Currently level 26.

I've been trying mounted combat on a bear and having moderate success. DPS goes way down because I don't have access to special attacks other than "bear hug". Survivability seems up, but regeneration between fights is very slow. If I dismount then regeneration is much better.

[AnAdolt]

I had a PHY VG and I didn't like it so I tried a STR VG. And it worked out not half bad, I like it better than a PHY VG. More STR means more damage and that means more Rage. I'm not sure if the less damage you take, the less Rage you get, but increasing PHY might decrease the Rage you get from damage. Naturally, it also decreases damage intake and increases your survival.

What you may want to do is get yourself a Turtle mount. They're the level 30 version of the Bear mount and have better active skills and passive skills. Although, I too favour dismounted combat and only use an Antelope for travel.

[ameridat]

What you may want to do is get yourself a Turtle mount. They're the level 30 version of the Bear mount and have better active skills and passive skills.

Found a turtle. What do you suggest on passive skills for it? I'm hesitant to spend points, afraid I'll gimp my build.

[ameridat]

Another one that affects VG build is the talisman. There is bonus to the choice of +HP or +defense.

I've done +HP and am thinking that +defense might have been better.

[AnAdolt]

It's debatable as to what attribute points you should focus on. For my VG, I like STR. If you're a party VG that will be tanking alot, it might be better to pump up PHY or STA.

As for HP versus defense, I like HP. The reason is, I find with real boss fights, I don't think your defense matters much. I think you'll be more survivable with higher HP. However, you need to be aware of your healing as well. If the healer can't heal you fast enough or well enough, you'll want better defense to reduce how fast you're taking damage.

[hypnocat]

Found a turtle. What do you suggest on passive skills for it? I'm hesitant to spend points, afraid I'll gimp my build.

now is the time to experiment since it will all go bye-bye soon :)

[Aaug]

I put mine in Stam on Acident becuase i didnt know what i was thinking, but i will buy a respec scroll and put them in Def becuase i am a VG. :)

[Kiyyun]

Hm, I'm trying to get more precise, but from a rough calculation based on what I saw as a trend for levels 1-10 with the stats that were gained by level, a VG with no gear/talisman/pet that goes all phys could hope to have 73% of the health of a VG that goes all stam but he would have 250% more defense. This is taking into account that the character would be wearing two costume pieces that add phy to stam with each piece at least adding 10%.

Like I said, this is super rough, but this is a general idea. When I get more info I'll post a guide on VG stats.

[frost3]

Go with Phy instead of Sta.
the eq and tali makes the difference.
you guys are to low of a level to see where a Vg shines

[vigilone]

How ever stacking too much DEF. defeats the entire purpose because the diminishing returns on DEF points get higher as with most things like that.
(IE. eg. At lvl 50 takes 1 point of def to reduce dmg by 1% but at as u get more def points say 500 DEF it might take 50 more points to reduce dmg by 1% and so on)

So in short my answer would be to skill stamina to a higher ratio than physique. :D

[AK47]

How ever stacking too much DEF. defeats the entire purpose because the diminishing returns on DEF points get higher as with most things like that.
(IE. eg. At lvl 50 takes 1 point of def to reduce dmg by 1% but at as u get more def points say 500 DEF it might take 50 more points to reduce dmg by 1% and so on)

So in short my answer would be to skill stamina to a higher ratio than physique. :D

and the answer is wrong. For a VG/RW, sta is the last thing you want to invest except spr - I assme no tank is dumb enough to invest on spr.

[Kumo]

i prefer high phys, its better in the long run imo. You wont start to feel remotely tanky till 60+ thats when we start to become a super class.

[Gloss]

So... what is the best?

Sta or Phy.

I need for my VG :D

[Jita]

So... what is the best?

Sta or Phy.

I need for my VG :D

I'll admit I haven't tried other builds, but as AK was alluding to above, Phy is the best choice for VG.

As you level your base stats will all increase, each class has a set amount per level that each one increases. VG get a very good amount of sta just from the base stats, and guardian gear generally includes sta. Phy is the stat that will increase your defense which is what you want for tanking.

[potlamic]

i saw a few post on ppl making str vg why?is it for pvp use? if so make a rw instead as vg r very limited for pvp.If u take 2 player with same skills 1 beeing a vg other beeing fm/sl/ms/dr vg would lose as they dont have range atk wich is a huge handicap.Maybe with godly equip tons of hp/def/mr vg would stand a chance but most likely not.In pvp vg have to rely on there tali skills to kill the oponnent since there pretty much the only attack with good dmg except for whirlwind attack wich as a 1 min cd.So once again if u plan on doing pvp a lot dont go for vg.The best use for vg in pvp would be on a 5/10 player mount taking hit for evry 1 else and thats about it.

I also saw a post saying go str for more rage.Vg r tank u will never have rage problem when ur tanking a boss as they hit u hard and keep ur rage bar fill up making u able to spam any skill u want even bloody strike that require lots of rage to stack up and maintain.When bossing is where vg goes from a low dmg class to a beast with really nice dps no mather whats ur str is.

As for the bonus point phy is the way to go.Vg can get tons of hp with equip only,getting over 4k hp at lvl 60 isnt really hard to get if u do instance or have dt 60 set,fairy guild neckplace,fairy guild reward runes,etc...probably a lot more with full dt set actually.

In the end like i said before if ur aiming for pvp or to have high dmg on regular skills vg aint for u and making a str vg would only make it worst,its really a pve class

SayaTank 60vg hare/spoon
4300hp
1400def and no dt set yet : (