Beggar Alliance Vs. Minstrel: Who Wins?

[Forgotten]

Okay. I want to pick the stronger out of the two, so I want to know. Who would win... Level 70 (Guessing/not caring) Beggar Vs. Same Level as Beggar Minstrel. So... Who would win???

[LoveMadrid]

If the stats r the same, and they got the same skills.... There's no doubt that minstrel wins... We dominate melees :D

[tlbb]

beggar is special class may win minstrel :p

[LoveMadrid]

beggar is special class may win minstrel :p

Well they may if the minstrel screws up ... :)

[tlbb]

lol go watch the 8x beggar thingy give beggar a hella fast speed buff n they get close to u n u die like hella fast :D

[Painrinnegan]

erep, I doubt that if it is shaolin vs ministrel and shaolin has the 65 book one, then the shao will win. Caz, the lvl 65 book of shao is too dangerous. Giving an xample - a team fight (two shaolin 1 taoist vs 1 pyro and 1 shaolin) of crs they r way higher lvl than us. Now when my frnd (shao - lvl 65) had only 3000 to 5000 hp left, he applied the 65 book(it was of low lvl)
And he almost killed the opposition shaolin(lvl 80). He reduced his life to such an extent that, I myself (lvl 58) killed it with four blows.

[LoveMadrid]

erep, I doubt that if it is shaolin vs ministrel and shaolin has the 65 book one, then the shao will win. Caz, the lvl 65 book of shao is too dangerous. Giving an xample - a team fight (two shaolin 1 taoist vs 1 pyro and 1 shaolin) of crs they r way higher lvl than us. Now when my frnd (shao - lvl 65) had only 3000 to 5000 hp left, he applied the 65 book(it was of low lvl)
And he almost killed the opposition shaolin(lvl 80). He reduced his life to such an extent that, I myself (lvl 58) killed it with four blows.

u sure... Cos I used my account to kill Coffetree lvl 87 shaolon and Dastand lvl 83 shaolin.... It's too easy for a minstrel to beat shaolin... Try ok me... I will show u what is called a nightmare:(

[Painrinnegan]

xcpt. there is a trick madrid for which Ministrels fall(not always work but 50% it works). I cant fight u. i am lvl 58. The trick is that whenever u teleport out, run in the opposite direction and rest and heal. In this way, a mlee can stay in the fight for long. so, theres a chance of winning. However, this also gets kited sometimes. And if this technique is combined with hit and run and invisible technique, beggers and assassins r hard to beat. (not very effective for shao and pyros as they hardly follow hit and run.(their policy is command and conquer)

[tlbb]

a shao lin should beat a minstrel lol >.<

[Painrinnegan]

no man, its not so easy. Its like david slating Goliath. However its easier for a begger or a assassin

[LoveMadrid]

no man, its not so easy. Its like david slating Goliath. However its easier for a begger or a assassin

It's never easy for a shaolin to kill minstrel ... From the shaolon perspctive you open spiritual shield and all those stuff and charge up at minstrel you can't even kill them... We just get on mount and run around until the shields are gone and kite you guys:D

[xXNARUTOXx]

minstrel win cuz minstrel have sow down buff n that skill let them fet the athere side n the minstrel have traps that make the attacker slow n let him blind n stun him n minstrel ar good for LD more then begar:):)

[DickTracy]

well the fight Pain..... tells about theres not minstrel so i see it out of point also he says shaolin 65 skil is dangerous i dont see what dangerous can be when it is just a selfbuff skil and its not a damaging skil so i dont really get when he says his friend did 65 skil and almost kill a lv 80 ... anyways

back to point
in my point of view as shaolin all meele have chances of beating minstrel but the sad fact those chances are like 1 to 1000 just telling off numbers to describes meele chances... really really low in simply words but stil we can beat minstrel...

as for my experience wht makes hard a minstrel to me its

1. Pattern bidden
2. Slow you down
3. Minstrel selfbuff +30% speed
4. Flying Shadow
5. 2x
6. Takes you mp out

those 6 factors gives a minstrel a real higher adventage over meeles

there are some meele advantage to win but i wont say them here cuz then all misntrel will know! :eek: lol but anyways not really matters cuz our advantage to win are include on the really really really really really low chances so :p

oh btw i didnt talk about the Traps... cuz as i said about my fightin experience traps are "easy" to avoid to me not all of them but the "most" stil hard but im good avoiding traps its not hard just think as a minstrel will :p

[Painrinnegan]

of crs but i will tell that only one factor gives minitrel the edge that is their teleport and my last post was for the one who told that shaolin shall win with a ministrel. However, if u can apply the heroiv strike and divine intervention properly, u may win against ministrel(40%). I did win against 2 - 3 ministrel within my lvl (50+) using the heroic strike properly. Another reason for which ministrel have the edge is that REFLECTION does not work on them properly. In case of assassin, pyro and begger, reflection is usualy very very useful(shaolin's hifh sta and def combined with reflection is formiddable - i defeated 3 lotus with it - one with the hidden weapon).

[LoveMadrid]

of crs but i will tell that only one factor gives minitrel the edge that is their teleport and my last post was for the one who told that shaolin shall win with a ministrel. However, if u can apply the heroiv strike and divine intervention properly, u may win against ministrel(40%). I did win against 2 - 3 ministrel within my lvl (50+) using the heroic strike properly. Another reason for which ministrel have the edge is that REFLECTION does not work on them properly. In case of assassin, pyro and begger, reflection is usualy very very useful(shaolin's hifh sta and def combined with reflection is formiddable - i defeated 3 lotus with it - one with the hidden weapon).

Hahaha that's where ur wrong, u only defeated 3 minstrels and lotus with ur tactic... That's pretty bad (no offence;) ) and the only 3 uses of heroic strike are :
1.) It kills invisible so if ppl invisible are in range they will get damaged and shows them
2.) Make ppl unable to move(minstrel could avoid it , shift away and u guys still can't get us)
3.) It combines in ur combo
When shaolin uses spirit shields and immune to stuns the wind walk, we just need to shift away, get on mount, and run around until the effect wear off... And these are our advantages (in my opinion):
1.) We all skills and u guys basically run out of mp...
2.) we slow u guys down u will never catch us
3.) Yes, u have heroic strike, but how long does it refresh compared to shift shadows ? Heroic strike : 70 second (I think) Shift : 14 seconds... :D
4.) once u wind walk we ensnare u , trap, all skills... Then kite, wait for cd and repeat. No matter how strong u are or how tank u are, u will eventually die.:)
5.) the main reason : the 2x damager. If I remembered correctly from my fraps, I hit around 700 800 on shaolins if they have low defence, then I hit 1ks. With 2x I hit 2000 normal skills 5000 or 6000... We got 5 attacking skills with relic. All skills 30k up gone, normal attack and ur dead :)

[LoveMadrid]

And btw the ONL shaolons I can't kill are either that they are too high level (they see through my invisible) and ImYELLOW's shaolin ryang, he knows what I do and his equips are just too good compare to mine (all 5 star or above with lvl 3 n lvl 2 gems everywhere. And he go full 6x shaolin set 20 percent hp) and I haven't pk-ed him in a long time...:( so OVERALL, yes, some very good shaolins could kill minstrels, only if the shaolin's equips are much better than the minstrels... If a shaolin can kill a minstrel in a couple of hits, there's no way minstrel could hold it (that's exactly what SOMEONE did to me.. Won't tell who it is :D) but normally minstrel should kill a shaolin with ease:)

[DickTracy]

I dont know wht pains means about reflection.... Reflection works on anything as long as you are getting hit no matter by what or who, It even reflects a trap damage but anyways Minstrel have to much advs over meeles and yes you are right about the H. Strike point but still is not easy like that it just lock movement stil misntrel can skil like pattern bidden you and you got nothing to do H strike lock 5s pattern bidden 10s so they be free and out of your range before you can move again... you maybe wining some low or your same lvl range pain but wait till you be over lv 6x 7x and fight pro minstrels then youll feel sorry on selecting a meele chart lol! well not that bad but kinda almost impossible to beat minstrel for meeles

[YangKang]

what ever happened to beggars vs minstrel :D

as for reflection .. save it for when a fireball lands and 2x is active or when you are about to land on a disorienting trap (ex. spamming it while coming out ensnare) depending on the position :D

[LoveMadrid]

For melées I HATE pking beggars and assasins but I just LOVE to pK pyros and shaolins ;) beggars and assasins hit too much on me... One combo and I'm dead... But shaolins and pyros barely touch me... I can kill 5 or 6 people my level without letting them even do any damage on me :D pro shaolins like romoh could take me down to shining HP(when my max hP was 16k) but now that I got 24k HP I don't think he can do it anymore:D

[DickTracy]

Well Assasins and Beggars have a lil avd against minstrel over pyros and shaos, not only the fact they "hit" more, for beggars yes theyre higher hit rate appart hihger reflex and well assasins higher cri hit rate... but appart from all that theyre lil adv points are assasins go invi so you cant see them, so they can work on a good surprise strike and deals a lot of damage due to cri hit and for beggars theyre poison is really annoyn for any class and takes out a nice ammount of hp so they can just do you taoist blast and poison you they kind of dont need at all to get closer if they can poison you with that anytime they want appart from blinding you and taking that chance to get closer and hit you...

shaolins and pyros dont have those xtra nice skils :(

[sieuvocmaytinh]

in vietnam, minstrel can win stronger beggar.

Minstrel with a chance of winning = 95%

[DragonBegger]

Nah beggar always gonna be no 1 :D

[luannguyen]

in vietnam, minstrel can win stronger beggar.

Minstrel with a chance of winning = 95%

vietnam version release gems lv5 and higher.Thats why minstrel can beat beggar.basicly minstrel can only strong when they full atleast lv 4 or must be lv5 or higher because later when DO release relic 45 and 80 if ur hp lower than 70k u gonna be killed in less than 6s.AS i know is when DO release relic 45 and 80 minstrel is nothing in my eyes i guess:) and many things will change after that, rangers are not much dangerous anymore

[LoveMadrid]

vietnam version release gems lv5 and higher.Thats why minstrel can beat beggar.basicly minstrel can only strong when they full atleast lv 4 or must be lv5 or higher because later when DO release relic 45 and 80 if ur hp lower than 70k u gonna be killed in less than 6s.AS i know is when DO release relic 45 and 80 minstrel is nothing in my eyes i guess:) and many things will change after that, rangers are not much dangerous anymore

Yea especially with the beggar 80 relic and the pyro 45 relic.. rangers don't have as much an advantage as b4 .. the only class that is still easy to kill for mins is shao in viet and CN version ...

[sifatmasum]

hahaha .naturally.so minstrel r in a devastating position u knw.if they go for poison resistence,they r dead since begger hve high agi for hit and high hp and as for mp,we run out before u get chance to finish it.and if u plan to go emerald,still dead nontheless since our poison will kill u.

so in most ways minstrel r dead against us.

[LoveMadrid]

hahaha .naturally.so minstrel r in a devastating position u knw.if they go for poison resistence,they r dead since begger hve high agi for hit and high hp and as for mp,we run out before u get chance to finish it.and if u plan to go emerald,still dead nontheless since our poison will kill u.

so in most ways minstrel r dead against us.

nevertheless minstrel is still the most popular class in CN server ...

[stun]

:Di think beggar win,i like beggar so much:cool:

[sifatmasum]

told u.it matters on player.and even if with mp drain,minstrel hve low adv cause begger hve low mp to begin with ahahha.so we will finish our mp before u get to drain em muhahahaha

[v_jimmy]

told u.it matters on player.and even if with mp drain,minstrel hve low adv cause begger hve low mp to begin with ahahha.so we will finish our mp before u get to drain em muhahahaha

:confused:i dont get it? ur happy coz u'l run out of mp nd wont be able to use skills:confused::confused::confused::confused:

[sifatmasum]

look.if i already use all of my mp on skills,then the mins mp drain is useless right.thts wht i meant

[darkknightX]

look.if i already use all of my mp on skills,then the mins mp drain is useless right.thts wht i meant

So to avoid MP drain u will use all ur MP and have no skills to use b4 minst wil drain it and just hit and die :D lol widout skills what are u planning to do

[LoveMadrid]

look.if i already use all of my mp on skills,then the mins mp drain is useless right.thts wht i meant

haha then isn't it the exact same thing lol .. u used skill on MP and MP being drained ..? :D

[AvAvA]

look.if i already use all of my mp on skills,then the mins mp drain is useless right.thts wht i meant

OMG What a noob minstrel u r talking about...letting u use all ur mp n drain ur zero mp to another zero lol... muahhahaha how is that gonna happen? :eek:

[darkknightX]

lol btw u dont even have to worry abt minst MP drain, its the royalty MP drain thats worst :p

[sifatmasum]

yea but minstrel mp drain is a loss since they dont hve high hit.but royalty is worse since they hve the highest hit and also the full hit buff from rage.

[v_jimmy]

yea but minstrel mp drain is a loss since they dont hve high hit.but royalty is worse since they hve the highest hit and also the full hit buff from rage.

:confused::confused:huh:confused::confused:

[sifatmasum]

i meant tht if they miss the atk,then its useless.

[v_jimmy]

i meant tht if they miss the atk,then its useless.


royalty MP drain is worse bcoz it drains around 50% mp based on book lvl which is a lot more as compared to mins mp drain

[sifatmasum]

yea i never said abt royalty.

and royalty is fearfull cause f their hit amount.they get the highest hit per agi points and also hve hit buffs.

so it is hard.so i said tht mins drain is useless mostly.

[sifatmasum]

some people r talkina bout blooodstones.wht r they and r they avaliable in this version?

[LoveMadrid]

some people r talkina bout blooodstones.wht r they and r they avaliable in this version?

yes they are ... i have seen it in peddle shops a long time ago ..

[sifatmasum]

r they still here?wht do they do

[DickTracy]

Yea especially with the beggar 80 relic and the pyro 45 relic.. rangers don't have as much an advantage as b4 ..

Well dont forget pyro 80 relic too crazy damage wht means the few chances they have of hittin a minst they deal a super huge damage... But yh true all tht is possible thanks to their 45 specially... But also beggar 45 is nice cuz is "the only" range damagin skill for meele class and stun and slow too


the only class that is still easy to kill for mins is shao in viet and CN version ...

sad :( lolz

Thou there always exceptions easier dont means all :D

[sifatmasum]

i saw the descriptions from eu server.the minstrel lv45 skill is a paralize skill.they will be paralized for secs but even if u atk them,the target wont wake up hehehe

[Ka]

i saw the descriptions from eu server.the minstrel lv45 skill is a paralize skill.they will be paralized for secs but even if u atk them,the target wont wake up hehehe

really ? :cool:

[sifatmasum]

its true.i can show the description.

at lv1 its a 2sec paralize but at higher lvl its more sec.and u can do as many dmg as u want.no wakky for the target

[Ka]

its true.i can show the description.

at lv1 its a 2sec paralize but at higher lvl its more sec.and u can do as many dmg as u want.no wakky for the target

Really ? Wow, That's weird. Because in my vn version my 10x Minstrel's lv 45 relic didn't do that. :eek::eek::eek:

[sifatmasum]

ouchy i read the description bro not try it out.

[sifatmasum]

sry gve wrng info.

their lv45 relic gives dmg to 4 targets every 4 sec.

the skill i said abt is another class.
let me get link

[Ka]

Just playing with u :P

I'll translate it for u then.

Minstrel 45 relic : cast time 0.5 sec. Cool down 60 sec. Setting down a Blossom Island Trap that is 15 meters long (basically the whole mini-map). Affect up to 4 target. Target will take 11 damage (at feat lv 1) every 2 second in 10 seconds :)

[sifatmasum]

bro blossem island trap is book 1 is it not.

yes tht description is righ tbut does not put them to sleep hahaha

[sifatmasum]

http://tlbb.eu.changyou.com/gameguide/skills/combatskill/royalty.shtml

eu royalty has all 3 relics.thts danger!

[sifatmasum]

found it.

its the lv45 relic of pyromancer.this relic can put an end to minstrel and all other range class.specielly tao since they hve low phy def.
http://tlbb.eu.changyou.com/gameguide/skills/combatskill/pyromancer.shtml

[LoveMadrid]

Just playing with u :P

I'll translate it for u then.

Minstrel 45 relic : cast time 0.5 sec. Cool down 60 sec. Setting down a Blossom Island Trap that is 15 meters long (basically the whole mini-map). Affect up to 4 target. Target will take 11 damage (at feat lv 1) every 2 second in 10 seconds :)

exactly lol i saw heaps of ppl use it to lure mobs in CN server too ...

[LoveMadrid]

found it.

its the lv45 relic of pyromancer.this relic can put an end to minstrel and all other range class.specielly tao since they hve low phy def.
http://tlbb.eu.changyou.com/gameguide/skills/combatskill/pyromancer.shtml

it's not only used against minstrels, its used agaisnt all classes since it stuns as well...

[tlbb]

well for pvp comparsion we cant tell who win or who loses right? cuz is not about the book or whtever , ppl can win with skills and strategy so u shldnt take it like 95% wll win n predict tht , u can nver predict it cuz sometimes a pyro beat a mins , a mins a beat a murong , a mins beat a shao u dont knw

[DickTracy]

...mmmmmmmm I wonder why they added royalty skill 80 on eu server skills info if they dont have em yet :p





lolzzzz I bet eu server gets skill 80 before we get skills 45 ;)

[sifatmasum]

i aint joining eu cause the keep insulting someone and calls them bad names just because they pk in groups.

thts too much