DR and MS too much discriminated about healing?

[johnpogi]

This is a pretty common situation,
nowadays im having trouble with joining teams

They always want a DE and willing to remove DR's and MS while allowing tanks to fill the team.

[FeralGirl]

This is a pretty common situation,
nowadays im having trouble with joining teams

They always want a DE and willing to remove DR's and MS while allowing tanks to fill the team.

All 3 have their strengths and weaknesses. DR's have a much better team heal than DE's. And a MS can excel in healing if they're built for it.

[Jita]

This is a pretty common situation,
nowadays im having trouble with joining teams

They always want a DE and willing to remove DR's and MS while allowing tanks to fill the team.

The class dynamics in the game change drastically as you move up in level. Early instances can actually be tanked more easily by an RW than a VG, while the later is true later on.

If you are referring to RW's when you say tanks, RW's become fairly good DPS as they level and have the ability to offtank, so they are a wise choice for group filler.

[johnpogi]

they are a wise choice for group filler.

You mean,all classes aren't equal?!


No, I'm serious, people starting to ignore other healing classes and would prefer DE, despite how much you guys say how good other classes can heal too

[CharChar]

It all depends on the situation and what needs to be healed; the tanker or the whole team? I wouldn't turn away a DR or an MS. I like DR for their huge range team healing and MS for their Prosperity and Sacrifice.

[DragonSis]

You mean,all classes aren't equal?!


No, I'm serious, people starting to ignore other healing classes and would prefer DE, despite how much you guys say how good other classes can heal too

lol i loughed badly on this
atm i heal x2 of any de in my lvl btw ;)
anyway let me tell you some weakness for DE healer ..the person who kicked ms to fit a de instid is just noob or the ms himself a noob
why?
DE = to heal same effect as ms need 4 sec. ms need 1 sec
de can't clean whole team he clean one by one . ms can clean whole team
de can't slow aoe enemy .ms can and also -10% def
de dosen't have def same as ms or hp ... which make ms is quiet a battle healer ;)
de can't dps same as ms "ms quiet good in this .dps\heal is so easy i mean same sec you can attack and heal while de have 2-3 sec to launch an attack and 4 sec to heal"
DE have stronger heal true .de have aoe heal true ...its healing class anyway .but for reasons above . any good sucssful team would need DE ;)
and really not many teams need RWs in begin
i remember me and mihae and khew .manged to kill sh2 whne we are lv 40 "i am FM .mihae ms . khew de" team of 3 manged to kill sh2 5 times" we had more cubes'faster than team that had 2 tankers hehehe
so your statment all wrong

about DR .DR is dps class that no usful to any instance i went in so far .but its very good for pk

as you see all class are equal .but dosen't equal mean all have same skill same effect. means they good in something bad in other ;)


i hope you understand

[frost3]

lol i loughed badly on this
atm i heal x2 of any de in my lvl btw ;)
anyway let me tell you some weakness for DE healer ..the person who kicked ms to fit a de instid is just noob or the ms himself a noob
why?
DE = to heal same effect as ms need 4 sec. ms need 1 sec
de can't clean whole team he clean one by one . ms can clean whole team
de can't slow aoe enemy .ms can and also -10% def
de dosen't have def same as ms or hp ... which make ms is quiet a battle healer ;)
de can't dps same as ms "ms quiet good in this .dps\heal is so easy i mean same sec you can attack and heal while de have 2-3 sec to launch an attack and 4 sec to heal"
DE have stronger heal true .de have aoe heal true ...its healing class anyway .but for reasons above . any good sucssful team would need DE ;)
and really not many teams need RWs in begin
i remember me and mihae and khew .manged to kill sh2 whne we are lv 40 "i am FM .mihae ms . khew de" team of 3 manged to kill sh2 5 times" we had more cubes'faster than team that had 2 tankers hehehe
so your statment all wrong

about DR .DR is dps class that no usful to any instance i went in so far .but its very good for pk

as you see all class are equal .but dosen't equal mean all have same skill same effect. means they good in something bad in other ;)


i hope you understand
lol what!? DR are more useful than a MS healing wise and give DE's a run for their money in groups and instances.DR have a advantage of being able to heal multiple targets at once.

[Melissea]

de can't slow aoe enemy .ms can and also -10% def


Sure we can. The skill is called "slow" :D

[DragonSis]

Sure we can. The skill is called "slow" :D

you proply didn't notice but i said " slow aoe only class can slow aoe is ms :D
"slow aoe = slow many target at once.for 30sec -each 5 sec the debuff redebuff it self"and cooldown is 20sec so ... you can make the math lol

[DragonSis]

lol what!? DR are more useful than a MS healing wise and give DE's a run for their money in groups and instances.DR have a advantage of being able to heal multiple targets at once.

DR use more MP and more time than MS\DE
there is thread for En mA explaining DR
but as i said if DR have to go in party "they open soul form they can't heal -yet they can use lv 20 talisman but who need it-"
so basicly dr have to chose between Dps or Heal .DR heal isn't that good comparing to DE\MS single target healing .and there aoe heal is only usful thing but cost alot alot alot of mp make it worthless in instances like DT one -personal point-
but main healer in game are DE\MS .doubt anyone can kill any character under healing of good ms\de .but its very easy to kill any character under healing of dr "slow .weak healing make them useless single target healer"

[Sasuke-kun]

DR use more MP and more time than MS\DE
there is thread for En mA explaining DR
but as i said if DR have to go in party "they open soul form they can't heal -yet they can use lv 20 talisman but who need it-"
so basicly dr have to chose between Dps or Heal .DR heal isn't that good comparing to DE\MS single target healing .and there aoe heal is only usful thing but cost alot alot alot of mp make it worthless in instances like DT one -personal point-
but main healer in game are DE\MS .doubt anyone can kill any character under healing of good ms\de .but its very easy to kill any character under healing of dr "slow .weak healing make them useless single target healer"

still I think DE + VG VS DR + VG = DR + VG winning.

it depends of situation. DR is awesome class both healing and dpsing, it's not hard to turn from soul form to normal and back. If not potion use best healer is DE I guess cuz healing most hp and takes longer time to use up mana then MS or DR which makes DE best healer. DR and MS are just support classes which can also heal but that's not their main job cuz half or more their skills are fighting skills.

[DragonSis]

still I think DE + VG VS DR + VG = DR + VG winning.

it depends of situation. DR is awesome class both healing and dpsing, it's not hard to turn from soul form to normal and back. If not potion use best healer is DE I guess cuz healing most hp and takes longer time to use up mana then MS or DR which makes DE best healer. DR and MS are just support classes which can also heal but that's not their main job cuz half or more their skills are fighting skills.


i am not saying DR is weak .they are strong but not in instances .DR 1 vs 1 on mount is best class .group pvp .DR have very decent CC skills "the aoe confuse .aoe sleep. aoe dps " and dos do wonders

but main topic is about instance

and i still hold my point " DR is more DPS than heal" "sta\spr MS best single target healer espicaly with lv 603 talisman"
DE best Healing class in general . but MS can support + heal "+30% def buff .+very good aoe + slow -10% def aoe + dispel and aoe stun + more def more HP + have a tank summon.must important aoe clean"
DE " aoe healing.very good single target heal. single target clean 3 sec cooldown . slow.reduce MR 'come good combo with FMs".an aoe -averge dmg- . -% healing to a character"good in pk" .dots.the skill that reduce 90% dmg recived plus high mp\hp reg rate"
i think DE and MS are main healer "group with ms is enough to finish any normal instance . same group with DE.DE+MS in same party is just OWN anything " while i don't think DR can be main healer at any case at all "unless doing some low lvl instances "
there is some builds for DR to be good healer .but that on the cost of there dps .and still wont be as good as ms\de ;)

may i ask .what the name of MS you made your idea of them ?

[Sasuke-kun]

i am not saying DR is weak .they are strong but not in instances .DR 1 vs 1 on mount is best class .group pvp .DR have very decent CC skills "the aoe confuse .aoe sleep. aoe dps " and dos do wonders

but main topic is about instance

and i still hold my point " DR is more DPS than heal" "sta\spr MS best single target healer espicaly with lv 603 talisman"
DE best Healing class in general . but MS can support + heal "+30% def buff .+very good aoe + slow -10% def aoe + dispel and aoe stun + more def more HP + have a tank summon.must important aoe clean"
DE " aoe healing.very good single target heal. single target clean 3 sec cooldown . slow.reduce MR 'come good combo with FMs".an aoe -averge dmg- . -% healing to a character"good in pk" .dots.the skill that reduce 90% dmg recived plus high mp\hp reg rate"
i think DE and MS are main healer "group with ms is enough to finish any normal instance . same group with DE.DE+MS in same party is just OWN anything " while i don't think DR can be main healer at any case at all "unless doing some low lvl instances "
there is some builds for DR to be good healer .but that on the cost of there dps .and still wont be as good as ms\de ;)

may i ask .what the name of MS you made your idea of them ?

MS is hard character. most of less pro players should skip that toon and play other classes cuz build and responsiblity in team MS has might be to hard for most of players. You know DR+MS was 1st team finishing DT on Spoon. And I got to F18 with lvl 51 good DR me being lvl 60 BW (yea we've made F17 where there is alot of drains and only with 1 person dispell with 1 min cd of mine). with his confuse skills he has more then enought time to heal and do some extra (high) dmg. It's not about toon but player playing it :)

[DragonSis]

MS is hard character. most of less pro players should skip that toon and play other classes cuz build and responsiblity in team MS has might be to hard for most of players. You know DR+MS was 1st team finishing DT on Spoon. And I got to F18 with lvl 51 good DR me being lvl 60 BW (yea we've made F17 where there is alot of drains and only with 1 person dispell with 1 min cd of mine). with his confuse skills he has more then enought time to heal and do some extra (high) dmg. It's not about toon but player playing it :)

and that what i was saying since day1 of server lol
MS is truly hard character a few who understand its true power
DR isn't easy as well .as well as SL
so this whole comparing means nothing lol .its who play it
ok off this topic :rolleyes: